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 Post subject: Re: Sprints
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:37 am 
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chois wrote:
Yep. Last year at the Cat Majors we requested a split for H to get away from the slow F cars.
I asked for, and we got a split group for HP and BS together. This helped spread out the slower F cars before we encountered them, and the BS cars were still a lap away from affecting us.
It worked pretty well, but I’d still like to see BS moved to a DOT tire race group.


In SWDIV, BS has been paired with SM or given their own run group at times. They have been 10-15 strong the last several races; at our Memorial day race, our small bore open wheel group (F500, FV, etc) was only like 3 or 4, so so they combined the Things with the Wings and gave BS their own run group. slow, but fun to watch. They bring the numbers to the races, so I agree with the philosophy. A couple of them also double enter as HP.

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 Post subject: Re: Sprints
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:43 am 
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chois wrote:
but I’d still like to see BS moved to a DOT tire race group.


Where do I sign?

Prod wants it, BS wants it, problem is convincing someone else to onboard.

IMO, if 115% is thrown because of safety and a good race, the overall group should be within reason as well. However, for you HP guys, BS is right there at around the 120% mark inline with some of the HP cars, problem is they just race so different even though their laptime is similar.

I didn't like the HP field on the split at the CAT. It put more of the HP field into scope for lapped traffic on both the shorter Sat. race and Sun race. Where we used to only have to contend with 4-5 BS cars, in addition we now had to navigate a portion of the HP field. That cost me a race on Saturday in T14 on the last lap. I think its a bad practice if the split start puts 2 of the classes in a clash on the last lap/last half of the course.

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 Post subject: Re: Sprints
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:01 am 
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I didn’t realize the split had that effect last year.
I agree that they need to do no harm to other classes.
If we could just get slower competitors to stop racing tooth and nail with the faster cars in a slower class we would never have reason to do this.

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 Post subject: Re: Sprints
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:34 am 
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chois wrote:
If we could just get slower competitors to stop racing tooth and nail with the faster cars in a slower class we would never have reason to do this.

wishful thinking, sir! I feel fairly safe in saying we've all done it at one point or another in our racing careers. I try not to, but it happens. until each class gets its own run group, it's going to continue to happen. Too many people are under the self-important guise of "I paid my entry, I gets my laps, I race who I want to."

unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and have to share the track with others. divisionals and majors? sure, share the track and deal with the traffic. Super Tours and Runoffs? Let's push to enforce the 115 or 120% or whatever rule and see that those well off the pace cannot drastically affect the races of the front of the fields. If you're having a bad day and can't make pace, well you've got your start and runoffs points- move over let the others have their fun. If you're just that far off the pace in general, then maybe Super Tours and Runoffs aren't the appropriate races for you at this time?

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 Post subject: Re: Sprints
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:24 am 
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Yep. I know.
It’s just disheartening when a slow fast car holds up the top 5 in a slower class at a super tour, and when asked about it they say they knew we were the leaders, but there was a car in his class behind us, so he had to race us.
Last time checked there is no contingency for 7th…

Ok. I’m done. Sorry.

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 Post subject: Re: Sprints
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:20 am 
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Yeah agree.

This image was Eagles Canyon back in November. Fortunately I wound up on the lucky end of the conflagration and got around the other STU car when the vette parked in front of him and I got my nose under in a corner. stewards were receptive to a larger split at the start of Sunday's race, and I never saw him Sunday. unfortunately the yellow car beat me that race, but we at least had a really good scrap.


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 Post subject: Re: Sprints
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:43 pm 
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BS spec to the DOT group. Sure. Now we have almost 80 cars in that group. Yikes! Yes it is a problem. I though a bigger split on Sun would have helped. Not sure what the answer is....


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 Post subject: Re: Sprints
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:17 pm 
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Large split start would help a lot. Move the fast H cars from the overtake of the slow F cars to later in the race. Still the slow F cars will be inside of their 115% rule and fall square inside of the HP times.
A little more class gap would help also. I personally dont mind GT3 and EP with HP as the gaps are large and the passes done quickly. BS and FP or T3 and T4 would have a similar gap , but I know that SCCA hates closing speed because we dont use mirrors well.

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 Post subject: Re: Sprints
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:43 am 
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Closing speed at RA between EP and BS on any of the straights is inline with what closing speed would be if EP ran with GT1.

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 Post subject: Re: Sprints
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:03 am 
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Whoa, this took a little turn. My comments were not about "slow guys". I think the type of racing that we encountered at Road America might be a little unique. Saturday I was running with the 2-4th place FP guys and 4-5 EP guys because I couldn't create separation from them. They were all well within their rights to race and I probably got in their way too.

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